SAN FRANCISCO --As part of its effort to achieve consistency with national standards, the California stem cell agency is moving towards allowing the use by CIRM researchers of embryos created through IVF that originally involved payments.
The CIRM Standards Working Group last week approved the move although specific language is yet to be worked out. Bernie Lo, co-chairman of the group and director of the medical ethics program at UC San Francisco, said the language would be narrowly focused.
Jesse Reynolds of the Center for Genetics and Society of Berkeley, Ca., said he was
“encouraged” by the CIRM direction. Earlier, the group had expressed concern that CIRM might be creeping towards possible creation of a loophole in the Prop. 71 ban on compensation for egg donors.
CIRM hopes to present specific language soon for its proposed rule to the Standards Working Group in a telephonic meeting. The proposal would then go to the CIRM board and from there into the official state regulation process.
In other matters involving the standards group, Alta Charo, a professor of law and bioethics at the University of Wisconsin, who has been a member of the group since its beginning in 2005, is leaving the panel because of her new position as a senior advisor at the FDA,
CIRM hopes to approve a replacement at the board meeting that begins Oct. 27.
Reynolds also praised CIRM staff for the early posting of background material on matters to be discussed at the meeting last week. Additional material has been posted as well on the research standards issues facing CIRM. It all can be found here.
With more than 3.0 million page views and more than 5,000 items, this blog provides news and commentary on public policy, business and economic issues related to the $3 billion California stem cell agency. David Jensen, a retired California newsman, has published this blog since January 2005. His email address is djensen@californiastemcellreport.com.
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Sunday, November 23, 2008
CIRM No-Pay Egg Rules: A 'Stem Cell Debacle'?
A front page article Sunday in the leading newspaper in one of California's stem cell hot spots says that the state laws aimed at boosting embryonic stem cell research are also hobbling it by "creating a shortage of human eggs."
The article was written by Terri Somers of the San Diego Union-Tribune, who follows stem cell business and research issues more closely than any other reporter in the state.
The crux of the problem, she reported, is that Prop. 71 bans paying women for their eggs, creating what some believe to be a shortage.
Somers wrote,
Somers quoted David Smotrich, who runs La Jolla IVF, a fertility practice, as saying the average payment for buying eggs in California is $3,000 to $5,000 but sometimes higher.
She said,
Recently Singapore, which has launched a major stem cell research effort involving top level American scientists, approved paying egg donors for their time as well as lost wages. CIRM rules allow reimbursement for lost wages but do not permit compensation for lost time.
Somers quoted Marie Csete, CIRM's chief scientific officer, as saying its standards committee will meet in February to discuss egg payments.
The article was written by Terri Somers of the San Diego Union-Tribune, who follows stem cell business and research issues more closely than any other reporter in the state.
The crux of the problem, she reported, is that Prop. 71 bans paying women for their eggs, creating what some believe to be a shortage.
Somers wrote,
"'This is what I call the great stem cell debacle, and it's ridiculous,' said Dr. Samuel Wood(see photo), who founded Stemagen, a San Diego biotechnology company that is trying to create human embryonic stem cells through therapeutic cloning.Somers continued:
"'The people of California passed Prop. 71 to fund billions of dollars worth of stem cell research including (therapeutic cloning) and then the legislators and leaders of the stem cell institute put guidelines in place that greatly hamper, or virtually eliminate, the possibility of this being successful.'"
"The institute has distributed $614 million through 229 grants, but only one has involved therapeutic cloning. Several grant requests were denied after doubts were raised that the scientists would be able to obtain enough eggs, called oocytes, to conduct the research.Both Mitalipov and Wood had grant applications rejected by the California stem cell agency, Somers reported. But CIRM President Alan Trounson, Wood and Stemagen's chief scientific officer, Andrew French, co-authored a 2006 paper advocating cloning-based stem cell research, according to Jesse Reynolds of Biopolitical Times.
"'It's clear that without having access to resources, in this case human oocytes, we cannot move forward,' said Shoukhrat Mitalipov, a University of Oregon scientist considered a leader in therapeutic cloning."
Somers quoted David Smotrich, who runs La Jolla IVF, a fertility practice, as saying the average payment for buying eggs in California is $3,000 to $5,000 but sometimes higher.
She said,
"Wood, who also runs a fertility practice in San Diego, conducted a survey of women who were egg donors for fertility purposes and found that 60 percent would consider doing so for research. All but one would expect to be compensated, at a rate of at least $3,000, he said. Wood hopes the survey will help change state law."But there is opposition to easing CIRM's payment standards. Somers wrote,
"'People voted for Prop. 71 with the understanding that eggs would not be paid for,' said Jeff Sheehy, an AIDS activist and member of the institute's board. 'We can't suddenly say that the words and law don't mean what we thought they meant.'Earlier this year, Trounson raised concerns about egg shortages. In June, he said researchers are "floundering" because they do not have enough eggs. One Harvard researcher, Kevin Eggan, who serves on a CIRM panel, also complained last spring that a $100,000 advertising campaign on the East Coast seeking egg donors had been unsuccessful. The Associated Press has written about the problem as well in a story that circulated nationally.
"In 2006, the Legislature passed a law prohibiting payment for oocytes donated for research that is not funded by the institute. For that reason, the Legislature should address the issue, said Sheehy, a member of the institute's standards committee. Elected leaders could give the institute direction, he said."
Recently Singapore, which has launched a major stem cell research effort involving top level American scientists, approved paying egg donors for their time as well as lost wages. CIRM rules allow reimbursement for lost wages but do not permit compensation for lost time.
Somers quoted Marie Csete, CIRM's chief scientific officer, as saying its standards committee will meet in February to discuss egg payments.
Egg Amplification
On Nov. 13, we carried an item on Singapore's new rules allowing egg donors to be compensated for both time and lost wages. CIRM rules permit reimbursement of lost wages but provide for no compensation for time.
Monday, August 04, 2008
CIRM Providing Some Early Background Info on Directors Meeting
The California stem cell agency today posted the agenda for its Aug. 12-13 meeting at Stanford, along with some background material.
The background material is a good start on helping the public understand what is to be discussed and acted on by the directors of the $3 billion public enterprise. We are looking forward to more in the next few days.
The background information on one item has clarified what is actually to be discussed when directors take up "consideration of annual report on CIRM contracts and interagency agreements." On Sunday, we speculated that the item could be a proposal to change from quarterly to annual the reporting requirements to directors on outside contracts. In fact, the item appears to be simply the 2007-08 annual report on outside contracting expenditures.
Other background material now available includes:
Draft language for a "grandfathering" provision on stem cell lines. Directors will be asked to authorize a procedure for petitioning them to designate stem cell lines derived before November 2006 as acceptably derived for use in CIRM-funded research.
The names and brief bios of proposed alternate members for the Grant Review Group: Sangeeta N. Bhatia of MIT, Paula Marie Bokesch of Hospira, Inc., Mark Furth of the Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center, Marcie Glicksman of Brigham and Women's Hospital, Kurt Gunter of Hospira, Inc., Paul Kulesa of the Stowers Institute for Medical Research, Hai-Quan Mao of John Hopkins, Todd McDevitt of Georgia Institute of Technoloogy/Emory University, Alan Russell of the University of Pittsburgh and Shuichi Takayama of the University of Michigan.
The background material is a good start on helping the public understand what is to be discussed and acted on by the directors of the $3 billion public enterprise. We are looking forward to more in the next few days.
The background information on one item has clarified what is actually to be discussed when directors take up "consideration of annual report on CIRM contracts and interagency agreements." On Sunday, we speculated that the item could be a proposal to change from quarterly to annual the reporting requirements to directors on outside contracts. In fact, the item appears to be simply the 2007-08 annual report on outside contracting expenditures.
Other background material now available includes:
Draft language for a "grandfathering" provision on stem cell lines. Directors will be asked to authorize a procedure for petitioning them to designate stem cell lines derived before November 2006 as acceptably derived for use in CIRM-funded research.
The names and brief bios of proposed alternate members for the Grant Review Group: Sangeeta N. Bhatia of MIT, Paula Marie Bokesch of Hospira, Inc., Mark Furth of the Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center, Marcie Glicksman of Brigham and Women's Hospital, Kurt Gunter of Hospira, Inc., Paul Kulesa of the Stowers Institute for Medical Research, Hai-Quan Mao of John Hopkins, Todd McDevitt of Georgia Institute of Technoloogy/Emory University, Alan Russell of the University of Pittsburgh and Shuichi Takayama of the University of Michigan.
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Tuesday, July 29, 2008
CIRM Revising Rules on Pre-2006 Cell Lines
The CIRM Standards Working Group had a plateful last week, dealing with the question of whether it can finance human embryonic stem cell research involving cell lines that were derived prior to CIRM regulations.
The short answer is provided by John M. Simpson, stem cell project director of the Consumer Watchdog group, who attended the meeting. He wrote on his group's blog:
"A stem cell line may be deemed acceptably derived before November 2006 if the following criteria are met:
"Informed consent from woman or couple in IVF (and no indication that original donor would not consent for research).
"Approval of the donation protocol by an Institutional Review Board.
"Compliance with prevailing ethical and legal standards in place at the time of derivation in the jurisdiction where the derivation was carried out.
"The process to determine if the criteria had been met would begin with a request to CIRM. The staff would review the request and make a recommendation to the oversight board, the Independent Citizens Oversight Committee. The review would have to include consideration of the scientific significance of the stem cell line. The ICOC would consider the request in a public meeting after publicly posting it."
The Standards Working Group did not have a quorum so its "plan" will go to directors, presumably at their August meeting, as representing the "sense of the group" but without a formal recommendation. Such a practice is commonplace with CIRM since it has perennial problems with securing quorums at meetings.
If you see problems with the CIRM proposal or support it, now is the time to send something along to the agency.
The short answer is provided by John M. Simpson, stem cell project director of the Consumer Watchdog group, who attended the meeting. He wrote on his group's blog:
"A stem cell line may be deemed acceptably derived before November 2006 if the following criteria are met:
"Informed consent from woman or couple in IVF (and no indication that original donor would not consent for research).
"Approval of the donation protocol by an Institutional Review Board.
"Compliance with prevailing ethical and legal standards in place at the time of derivation in the jurisdiction where the derivation was carried out.
"The process to determine if the criteria had been met would begin with a request to CIRM. The staff would review the request and make a recommendation to the oversight board, the Independent Citizens Oversight Committee. The review would have to include consideration of the scientific significance of the stem cell line. The ICOC would consider the request in a public meeting after publicly posting it."
The Standards Working Group did not have a quorum so its "plan" will go to directors, presumably at their August meeting, as representing the "sense of the group" but without a formal recommendation. Such a practice is commonplace with CIRM since it has perennial problems with securing quorums at meetings.
If you see problems with the CIRM proposal or support it, now is the time to send something along to the agency.
Monday, July 21, 2008
A Re-Look at Friday's Egg Meeting
The California stem cell agency has taken issue with the way we have framed this coming Friday's meeting dealing with human eggs.
It is not really about availability, cost and prices, says CIRM. But rather about stem cell lines and embryos created through IVF treatments and their possible use in CIRM-financed research.
Geoff Lomax, senior officer for the Standards Working Group, said,
When we read it, we took a broader perspective, one that concerned the general availability of eggs for research and the economics behind their apparent scarcity.
But first CIRM must deal with the information Lomax presents in his background material as well that which will be brought to the table by others.
He wrote:
It is not really about availability, cost and prices, says CIRM. But rather about stem cell lines and embryos created through IVF treatments and their possible use in CIRM-financed research.
Geoff Lomax, senior officer for the Standards Working Group, said,
"You have got this one completely wrong and framed the meeting in a sensational and inflammatory way which does a disservice to thoughtful policy deliberations."Lomax prepared the briefing paper – called "Use of Embryos Created for Reproductive Purposes with Paid Gametes" – for use at the Standards meeting later this week.
When we read it, we took a broader perspective, one that concerned the general availability of eggs for research and the economics behind their apparent scarcity.
But first CIRM must deal with the information Lomax presents in his background material as well that which will be brought to the table by others.
He wrote:
"Nationally, the CIRM policy deviates from other jurisdictions that have developed policies to advance stem cell research. This deviation has raised concerns over the ability of CIRM researchers to utilize materials derived under other jurisdictional policies or the National Academies Guidelines."The issue of the use of human eggs is freighted with emotional and political baggage, plenty of which will surface eventually. But meantime, Lomax is trying to lay the groundwork for a straightforward consideration of practical issues that need attention sooner rather than later.
San Diego Researchers Say No Shortage of Human Eggs
Jeff Sheehy, a member of the board of directors of the California stem cell agency, has brought to the human egg debate a new entry that appears to fly in the face of assertions that scientists cannot get enough eggs for their human embryonic stem cell research.
His comments and information come as the CIRM Standards Working Group plans to dig into the topic again this Friday during a public hearing in Los Angeles. The issue of egg availability, however, goes well beyond California, reaching out to such places as the United Kingdom, where discounted IVF services are being offered to generate eggs for research.
Sheehy, also a member of the Standards Working Group, pointed to work being done by Cascade LifeSciences in San Diego and others to show that the egg shortage concerns of CIRM President Alan Trounson and Harvard's Kevin Eggan may be overstated.
Sheehy's starting point is a letter for reconsideration of Cascade's rejected application for a CIRM grant. Cascade's letter, which can be found here on the California Stem Cell Report, stated that the firm was collaborating with David Smotrich of the La Jolla IVF clinic to obtain eggs. Cascade said that the clinic had a "list of young and healthy volunteers who desire to donate oocytes specifically for this SCNT project. All these donors were pre-tested and demonstrated a high oocyte production (20-25 oocytes per cycle) in response to homornal stimulation."
Last week Sheehy queried Ken Woolcott, who wrote the reconsideration request, about the availability of eggs, which Sheehy recalled as being 100 a year. Sheehy also asked whether they were obtained under circumstances that would make them available for use by CIRM grantees i.e. proper consent, no payment outside of CIRM policy, etc.
In response, Woolcott, Cascade's chief business officer, emailed Sheehy that he checked with Cascade's primary investigator, Dr. Sophia Khaldoyanidi, as well as Smotrich, head of the collaborating La Jolla IVF clinic. Woolcott replied,
But the devil may well be in the details. In this case, does the La Jolla clinic's definition of reimbursement for "time and medical care expenses" match that of CIRM's?
His comments and information come as the CIRM Standards Working Group plans to dig into the topic again this Friday during a public hearing in Los Angeles. The issue of egg availability, however, goes well beyond California, reaching out to such places as the United Kingdom, where discounted IVF services are being offered to generate eggs for research.
Sheehy, also a member of the Standards Working Group, pointed to work being done by Cascade LifeSciences in San Diego and others to show that the egg shortage concerns of CIRM President Alan Trounson and Harvard's Kevin Eggan may be overstated.
Sheehy's starting point is a letter for reconsideration of Cascade's rejected application for a CIRM grant. Cascade's letter, which can be found here on the California Stem Cell Report, stated that the firm was collaborating with David Smotrich of the La Jolla IVF clinic to obtain eggs. Cascade said that the clinic had a "list of young and healthy volunteers who desire to donate oocytes specifically for this SCNT project. All these donors were pre-tested and demonstrated a high oocyte production (20-25 oocytes per cycle) in response to homornal stimulation."
Last week Sheehy queried Ken Woolcott, who wrote the reconsideration request, about the availability of eggs, which Sheehy recalled as being 100 a year. Sheehy also asked whether they were obtained under circumstances that would make them available for use by CIRM grantees i.e. proper consent, no payment outside of CIRM policy, etc.
In response, Woolcott, Cascade's chief business officer, emailed Sheehy that he checked with Cascade's primary investigator, Dr. Sophia Khaldoyanidi, as well as Smotrich, head of the collaborating La Jolla IVF clinic. Woolcott replied,
"Dr. Smotrich confirmed that the oocyte donors are only reimbursed for their time and medical care expenses. These donors are not IVF patients that receive discounts or are paid for their eggs. They tend to be donors that desire to enhance medical research in the Stem Cell area, are younger and have a track record of high oocyte quality and productivity.Sheehy said that Woolcott's information is "very important" if it "confirms that at least one investigator in California is able to obtain sufficient oocytes to conduct research within the confines of CIRM's ethical standards and the provisions of Prop. 71 and SB 1260(the law that deals with non-CIRM funded hESC research)."
"I believe that this is consistent with the draft guidelines prepared by CIRM and is consistent with the law in California. More importantly, any work in this area would be subject to IRB approval."
But the devil may well be in the details. In this case, does the La Jolla clinic's definition of reimbursement for "time and medical care expenses" match that of CIRM's?
Thursday, June 05, 2008
Fresh Human Eggs and Stem Cell Economics
The price of human eggs and their scarcity, at least for stem cell research, once again have risen as topics, but this time in New York.
The events in the Empire State, however, dovetail nicely with a similar, ongoing issue at the Golden State's $3 billion stem cell agency.
Hawk-eyed Jesse Reynolds of the Center for Genetics and Society in Oakland, Ca., spotted the New York egg issue and reported on it on the Biopolitical Times.
He wrote on June 3,
The study was set in motion after Harvard scientist Kevin Eggan told the CIRM Standards Working Group that he and his colleagues had spent $100,000 advertising for donors and "pursued every option" for collecting eggs with little success.
CIRM President Alan Trounson said "accessing those eggs is no trivial matter." He said scientists are seeking grants from CIRM for research that may not be feasible because of the lack of human eggs.
A wide-ranging review of the issue and related topics is expected to surface publicly at CIRM sometime this year. Issues that may be aired include: availability of eggs and their numbers, researchers' perceptions of the problem, possible reimbursement of IVF treatment, use of eggs by CIRM researchers from other areas where compensation restrictions are not so tight (such as possibly New York) and the grandfathering of cell lines that were derived before CIRM regulations were adopted.
The subject comes under the Standards Working Group, which has a July 25 meeting scheduled in Los Angeles. However, no topic for that session has been announced. We are asking CIRM when the egg issue will come up.
On other related notes:
The Feb. 28 meeting of the Standards Working Group on eggs and other matters carried a reference by CIRM Chairman Robert Klein to an "opinion" by CIRM outside counsel. We queried CIRM about the opinion. Here is the agency's response:
"There is no email or other written legal opinion from James Harrison regarding reimbursements for IVF costs. The transcript from the working group reflects that Bob did query Harrison during the meeting asking him to send a copy of law 1260 (SB1260 by Sen. Deborah Ortiz), which deals with payments for eggs. Harrison did send the bill in an email and that is what is referenced in the transcript. Bob requested that so that he could show a section toward the end of the bill that explicitly states nothing in 1260 is designed to change anything in Prop. 71."
Marcy Darnovsky of the Center for Genetics and Society also has a rundown on writings by feminist scholars on eggs and cloning-based stem cell research. You can find the citations and links to the articles here.
The events in the Empire State, however, dovetail nicely with a similar, ongoing issue at the Golden State's $3 billion stem cell agency.
Hawk-eyed Jesse Reynolds of the Center for Genetics and Society in Oakland, Ca., spotted the New York egg issue and reported on it on the Biopolitical Times.
He wrote on June 3,
"One aspect that caught my eye, not surprisingly, concerns the sourcing of fresh human eggs for cloning-based stem cell research (a.k.a. somatic cell nuclear transfer, or SCNT). Although NYSTEM's brief authorizing law is silent on this and related issues, such matters have been deliberated by NYSTEM's Ethics Committee. The draft strategic plan reveals the Committee and the program's governing board are considering offering compensation for women to provide eggs. (pages 26-27)Earlier this year, we reported that the California stem cell agency has embarked on a review of the human egg market and the needs of researchers, some of whom are complaining that they do not have enough raw material.
"This would be an unfortunate deviation to the generally agreed-upon practice of only reimbursing for expenses. I am aware of no ethics committee that has endorsed payments,* and of only one research team which offered them (and that was before the consensus against compensation crystallized in 2004). The good news is that there is still time for input: NYSTEM has not explored the issue in depth, and the Ethics Committee will discuss the topic at its next meeting."
The study was set in motion after Harvard scientist Kevin Eggan told the CIRM Standards Working Group that he and his colleagues had spent $100,000 advertising for donors and "pursued every option" for collecting eggs with little success.
CIRM President Alan Trounson said "accessing those eggs is no trivial matter." He said scientists are seeking grants from CIRM for research that may not be feasible because of the lack of human eggs.
A wide-ranging review of the issue and related topics is expected to surface publicly at CIRM sometime this year. Issues that may be aired include: availability of eggs and their numbers, researchers' perceptions of the problem, possible reimbursement of IVF treatment, use of eggs by CIRM researchers from other areas where compensation restrictions are not so tight (such as possibly New York) and the grandfathering of cell lines that were derived before CIRM regulations were adopted.
The subject comes under the Standards Working Group, which has a July 25 meeting scheduled in Los Angeles. However, no topic for that session has been announced. We are asking CIRM when the egg issue will come up.
On other related notes:
The Feb. 28 meeting of the Standards Working Group on eggs and other matters carried a reference by CIRM Chairman Robert Klein to an "opinion" by CIRM outside counsel. We queried CIRM about the opinion. Here is the agency's response:
"There is no email or other written legal opinion from James Harrison regarding reimbursements for IVF costs. The transcript from the working group reflects that Bob did query Harrison during the meeting asking him to send a copy of law 1260 (SB1260 by Sen. Deborah Ortiz), which deals with payments for eggs. Harrison did send the bill in an email and that is what is referenced in the transcript. Bob requested that so that he could show a section toward the end of the bill that explicitly states nothing in 1260 is designed to change anything in Prop. 71."
Marcy Darnovsky of the Center for Genetics and Society also has a rundown on writings by feminist scholars on eggs and cloning-based stem cell research. You can find the citations and links to the articles here.
Thursday, April 03, 2008
CIRM Seeking Egg Donation Comments
The California stem cell agency has prepared a draft of guidelines for reducing risk in connection with the donation of human eggs for stem cell research and is seeking comments on them from the research community and others.
The draft can be found here. A related document concerning the history of the guidelines and their purpose can be found here.
In addition to general remarks, Geoff Lomax, senior officer for the CIRM Standards Working Group, is asking for comments on the following:
The draft can be found here. A related document concerning the history of the guidelines and their purpose can be found here.
In addition to general remarks, Geoff Lomax, senior officer for the CIRM Standards Working Group, is asking for comments on the following:
"The utility of the guidelines for reviewing studies proposing to obtain oocytes for researchThe impact of these guidelines will go well beyond California, which is currently in the global forefront of setting standards for human embryonic stem cell research. Seeking comment at early stage and posting the information on its web site serves CIRM well, opening the door to all who are interested or who have something at stake.
"The consistency of the guidelines with current clinical protocols and standards of care
"General feasibility considerations with the draft guidelines."
Wednesday, March 19, 2008
An Egg Shortage: Is More Cash the Answer?
The California stem cell agency has embarked on a sweeping review of the human egg market and the needs of researchers, some of whom are complaining that they do not have enough raw material.
The study was set in motion after Harvard scientist Kevin Eggan (see photo on left) told the CIRM Standards Working Group last month that he and his colleagues had spent $100,000 recently advertising for donors and "pursued every option" for collecting eggs with little success.
CIRM President Alan Trounson, a renown Australian stem cell scientist, said "accessing those eggs is no trivial matter." He said scientists are seeking grants from CIRM for research that may not be feasible because of the lack of human eggs.
One answer to the question of scarcity posed during last month's session is increasing the money for women who provide eggs. However, that could be considered the politically fatal "third rail" for hESC cell research. Prop. 71, which created the California stem cell agency in 2004, was approved by voters in a campaign that appeared to promise that women would not be paid for eggs. But the language of the measure is artfully ambiguous. The initiative says that it is up to CIRM directors to set
"standards prohibiting compensation to research donors or participants, while permitting reimbursement of expenses."Currently CIRM regulations do not allow for compensation other than reimbursement of direct expenses. One suggestion that arose during the meeting of the CIRM Standards Working Group on Feb. 28 was some sort of reimbursement of expenses for women involved in IVF treatments. However, paying for IVF treatments could be construed as cash for eggs.
Not all members of the group were comfortable with the concept of paying women for eggs.
Here is an exchange from the transcript of the Feb. 28 meeting between CIRM Oversight Committee member Jeff Sheehy and CIRM Chairman Robert Klein, who led the campaign for Prop. 71 and claims responsibility for writing it:
Sheehy:
"(Prop. 71) was approved by the voters because the voters thought there wasn't going to be compensation for egg donors when they voted for it, and they didn't know we were going to go back and change it. And so in that context I think this is an issue that would be appropriate for us to study."Klein:
"Well, I'm in a reasonably good position, Jeff, to discuss the issue of what was presented to the voters. and --Sheehy:
"I was your average voter, Bob. I was not one of these people that was waving the stem cell flag. I can tell you that if we were going to go out and spend $3 billion buying eggs from women, I wouldn't have voted for it."Klein:
"Certainly I wouldn't have voted for it either, so we agree. But the key here is medical reimbursement was clearly contemplated. I have gone to James Harrison (outside counsel to CIRM and who wrote portions of Prop. 71) and discussed this issue with him...."Alta Charo(see photo on right), professor of law and bioethics at the University of Wisconsin and a member of the CIRM standards group, noted the political sensitivity of the issue of cash for eggs. She said changing the CIRM standards worked out in 2005 could be "inviting really quite draconian responses" from unspecified parties, but presumably hostile lawmakers and regulators.
What went unsaid during the Feb. 28 meeting was the fact that some have long regarded the supply of human eggs as insufficient for human embryonic stem cell research. But now that hESC research is enjoying a resurgence, the scarcity is becoming more acutely felt.
The session also did not include a direct discussion of another reality: If eggs are scarce and demand is high, somebody is going to make a business of it. It will be an unregulated business somewhere else in the world. It goes almost without saying that embryonic stem cell research is a global endeavor, a point that Klein made on Feb. 28.
The CIRM Standards meeting ended with a move to investigate the entire subject further. Bernie Lo of the University of California, San Francisco and chairman of the group, indicated the review would include availability of eggs and their numbers, researchers' perceptions of the problem, possible reimbursement of IVF treatment, use of eggs by CIRM researchers from other areas where compensation restrictions are not so tight and the grandfathering of cell lines that were derived before CIRM regulations were adopted.
The standards group will consider the staff review of the matter at some later date. We have asked CIRM when that is likely to occur.
Needless to say, this subject is complex. We have only briefly touched on a handful of issues discussed during the Feb. 28 meeting. We recommend a close read of the transcript. Most of the pertinent discussion begins on page 91.
Below are some excerpts from the transcript.
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Snippets From the CIRM Egg Debate
Here are some excerpts from the transcript of the Feb. 28 meeting of the CIRM Standards Working Group concerning human egg availability.
CIRM President Alan Trounson:
Kevin Eggan, Harvard stem cell researcher and member of the CIRM Standards Working Group:
CIRM President Alan Trounson:
"Accessing those number of eggs is no trivial matter, no matter what the opportunities are. In that circumstance the demand for the oocytes may be way beyond what we can possibly deliver in an outcome. And it may take us five years to do that. If we gave a three-year grant, that would be nonsense because the chance of deriving a cell line might be extremely low.CIRM Chairman Robert Klein:
"That's why we've come because we have these applications sitting in our portfolio which we're questioning about how do we move forward on this, or do we sort of take them off the table and let the other ones proceed. I think it's important for you to understand that it's real-time now. We have to actually know exactly what is appropriate to do."
"From a legal point of view, I'm very concerned with the use of words here. I don't know anyone that's suggesting you make a $10,000 payment to somebody. If somebody has real cost, and they can document those costs, and they can get reimbursed for part of those costs. What's being addressed here is reimbursement for part of the cost, not a $20,000 payment to someone."CIRM Oversight committee member Jeff Sheehy:
"If they did not think that they could get the eggs, they should not have submitted the applications. They have submitted applications, so they must believe that they can get the eggs."Alta Charo, a member of the Standards Working Group and University of Wisconsin professor:
"Prop 71, which itself had this written in to some extent as a political matter, drove the National Academy guidelines which felt like they were already basically having to follow the California lead on the altruistic model here."Trounson:
"I don't think it drives it forward. That's the problem."Charo:
"Now we're in a situation, I think, where it's particularly touchy to try and revisit the compromise, putting aside whether or not it's even legally possible given the language of Prop. 71."
Kevin Eggan, Harvard stem cell researcher and member of the CIRM Standards Working Group:
"I have spent countless hours stomping around to different disease advocacy groups, tea circles, knitting circles, trying to find anyone and everyone who would donate their oocytes for our experiments, even out of the goodness of their heart because they had someone that they cared about who was affected by these diseases that we might in the very long term provide hope for.
"We spent more than $100,000 in advertising in the Boston Globe, in the Boston Herald, in the Boston area papers, in the suburbs of Boston. We have literally pursued every option. We've pursued trying to recruit donors from other parts of the United States to come to Boston to donate their oocytes for research. This will not work. In a country where women know that they can be compensated for doing the exact same thing, they simply will not, and in the face of the difficulties, I should add, it's not like they're not doing it solely because of the money, they're doing it because of the money and because it's a very difficult thing to do oocyte donation. And those two things collaborate together to create an environment in which women will not do this in a meaningful way which will allow the research to go forward.
"It was a very reasonable compromise to say we need to give up compensation because we can't afford to be assailed both from the right and the left on this position, but now we know that that compromise position is a failure. So what do we do about that? I think the fact of the matter is that it might as well be against the law if we can't do it. That's one sort of null hypothesis for years. So how to proceed in the face of that? I agree it's risky; but if we don't take the risk, then the outcome will be the same as if we take the risk ..."
Friday, March 30, 2007
Clarification
The "Eggs" item below makes a reference to CIRM regulations concerning reimbursement of expenses for egg donors involving "lost wages" vs. direct expenses. Some persons contend that lost wages should not be reimbursed, arguing that creates a disparity between well-paid and less well-paid women. In California, CIRM regulations include reimbursement for lost wages. So does the proposed policy for ESC research that is not connected to CIRM funding, which is regulated by another state law.
Thursday, March 29, 2007
Eggs and Absurd Inconsistencies
Writing in the New England Journal of Medicine, a Harvard business professor says the "politics of egg donation" have obscured the real issues concerning the market for human oocytes.
Debora Spar discusses the scene nationally and internationally, using the case of woman she calls "Anna Behrens," who Spar says is not a real person. Spar wrote in the March 29 edition of the NEJM:
As far as California is concerned, Spar reports that researchers using state funds are prohibited from compensating egg donors for anything beyond direct expenses.
The actual language of the CIRM regulations is slightly different. It says that "permissible expenses" are "necessary and reasonable costs directly incurred as a result of donation or participation in research activities. Permissible expenses may include but are not limited to costs associated with travel, housing, child care, medical care, health insurance and actual lost wages."
NEJM has also posted an interview with Spar and Emily Galpern of the Center for Genetics and Society in Oakland on the subject of egg donations.
Debora Spar discusses the scene nationally and internationally, using the case of woman she calls "Anna Behrens," who Spar says is not a real person. Spar wrote in the March 29 edition of the NEJM:
"The United States, by contrast, maintains the absurd inconsistency illustrated by the case of Anna Behrens: $20,000 for an egg used for reproduction; nothing for the same egg used for stem-cell research. Such a policy would make sense only if we deemed assisted reproduction socially more valuable than research. But this argument is not being made and perhaps could not logically stand, given that the alternative to assisted reproduction would often be adoption. Instead, opponents of egg selling tend to refer to the fears of commodification and the risks to donors — all of which, if valid, apply equally to the reproductive and research uses of eggs.Spar, author of "The Baby Business: How Markets are Changing the Future of Birth," does not discuss in her NEJM article the possible growth of a black market for human eggs, which seems certain to arise if eggs have real monetary value and there is a shortage.
"What we need, therefore, is a fresh debate on egg donation and a new set of policies. We need to consider the health risks and ways of identifying and mitigating them. We need to ensure that all potential donors are fully informed of these risks and fully protected against them. We need to make clear that the benefits of egg donation, for reproductive or research purposes, are complicated, and that few of these benefits will ever flow directly to the donor. At the moment, though, the politics of egg donation have blinded us to these real issues. We have not thought deeply about what makes sense for science, for women, and for society. Instead, we are only fighting about the price."
As far as California is concerned, Spar reports that researchers using state funds are prohibited from compensating egg donors for anything beyond direct expenses.
The actual language of the CIRM regulations is slightly different. It says that "permissible expenses" are "necessary and reasonable costs directly incurred as a result of donation or participation in research activities. Permissible expenses may include but are not limited to costs associated with travel, housing, child care, medical care, health insurance and actual lost wages."
NEJM has also posted an interview with Spar and Emily Galpern of the Center for Genetics and Society in Oakland on the subject of egg donations.
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